I would've love to take this one...Kobe is great but like the GM said, its no way by far...and neither of those two are by far better then Dwayne Wade or Chris Paul...It's really close between the 4 of them...
Ok leave the awards out! Kobe is a better scorer and all around defensive player! He is the Defensive GLOVE in the NBA!! He has a drive that you hardly ever see! ( RUSSELL BIRD JORDON MAGIC) Get the point? Lebron is great and maybe the greatest before he is done but right now Kobe is a bigger all around threat! I think if you polled every gm 80% would take Kobe! That is the point he brings more to the table consitantly than Lebron! Lebron has more rebounds because he is getting his missed shot MORE!!!!
Shaq went to won final and won it Kobe wen to one and lost...Kobe carried the Lakers in the last two titles not shaq!!!
Kobe makes the biggest shots in the NBA and in big time clutch moments when you think he has no shot!..I want someone here to tell me when ever has Lebron James made a Big time SHot in a big time game to beat the buzzer or to ice the game, cause I never have, in fact seems like everytime I see Lebron in those moments he chokes plus Kobe has got 3 rings and a finals appearence without Shaq!. Kobe hands down is way better and has a killer instinct to make ball games his bitch!.. I hate the guy don't get me wrong he's a women beater but a world class basketball player!..Lebron doesn't have that killer instinct YET but he is very young too and is near the level of Kobe but no way is better!
I never said Lebron was a better shooter than Kobe. And I also didn't say Lebron was necessarily a better player than Kobe. What I said was that it isn't as wide a margin as you make it out to be.
I am not a big enough basketball fan to argue clutch shots or end of game heroics so I am not going to. But if I was starting an NBA franchise and could take any player I would start with Lebron. He has done ALOT with LESS in his short time in the NBA.
5 for 20 in a game that was for home court in the playoffs really?? KOBE IS BETTER!!!
GM one more thing..Don't forget what Confrence Lebron plays in.. the EAST and the EAST is the weakest confrence in the NBA for the last 11 or 12 years since M.J. retired from the Bulls!...Dude Allen Iverson took the sixers to a Championship but where the hell is he now?...The Western Confrence is the elite of the NBA and Kobe Dominates that confrence as we speak!..And took the lakers to the Finals as well last year too!..This arugment isn't even close, Sorry GM I got major respect for your opinon, but your on the losing end of this arguement by far!, I hate Lakers I'm a kings fan in fact The Lakers should only won 2 NOT 3 if it weren't for the Ref who is in Federal ponund in the ass prision for fixing games!..FACT!
Pelle, look at the stats. Sure Lebron didn't shoot all that well but everyone forgets that scoring isn't the ONLY thing these guys need to do. Kobe scored 19 and had 2 assists so he was a part of 23 points. Lebron had 16 plus 7 assists so he was a part of 30 points. PLUS he outrebounded Kobe.
I already said above (if you would read it) that Lebron isn't necessarily better than Kobe. The reason your argument DOESN'T WORK is that you said BY ALOT!! He is NOT that much better than Lebron (if at all) no matter how you spin it.
Kobewas getting an IV at halftime because he wanted to win so bad! HE HAS THE DRIVE Lebron doesnt HAVE!!! They own the tie breaker now and the champinship will go thru LA!! He shut down Lebron and he is the way better defensive player! HE IS BETTER BY ALOT!!
the West isn't that much better anymore though. Your right for the last 11 years it was head and shoulders above the East but last year and this the gap has closed. Now I am not saying the East is better or even as good but it is MUCH closer than it was. If your opinion on Kobe is about how good the West WAS then you have to remember that the Lakers weren't that good for a few seasons after Shaq left.
No he isn't. Is he better? It depends on what you want. I talked about this on a podcast last night. If you are starting a team and you have a leader, an assist guy and a guy to grab boards and all you need is a scorer...than you take Kobe 100% of the time. BUT if you are looking for a guy who can score, gets assists, rebounds, and carries a team than you need Lebron.
yes Kobe is a better man to man defender and yes he is a better shooter. BUT ALL AROUND PLAYER?? NO WAY! Lebron is the better assist man, better rebounder, and does enough on the defensive end to help his team to a great record.
oh and I mis spoke before...Lebron had 12 assists meaning he accounted for 40 of Clevelands points...compared to 23 for Kobe.
Remember that it isn't all about how many YOU score by yourself but how many you help your TEAM score. And Lebron is a bigger part of his team than Kobe is (you can't possibly argue that point). Its just like in hockey...an assist is just as good as a goal!
Oh and I don't want to hear about Basketball players and their toughness. When one of them needs to get 20 some stitches at halftime just to finish the game you let me know. Or when one of them plays through separated shoulders or broken bones in their feet then you let me know. Kobe getting an IV at halftime means nothing to me. Players in every sport REGULARLY get IVs at halftime!!!
Actually look up the state Kobe was still statistically better than almost everyone in the NBA but yes your right the team wasn't good cause everyone knows you need inside presence to make the playoffs or win A title, But a step further there was alot of distraction going on too Kobe running out Shaq and the women beating thing but he still had the one of best statistics as a individual basketball player!, Lebron is a beast I'm not arguing that GM you are right they are close and in the argument for who is the best but the Fact is Kobe is better plain and simple!. Lebron maybe 3-4 more years and a few titles I might agree but no way he's better than Kobe!
Well like I said on the other side of this debate page. I don't necessarily think Lebron is better than Kobe BUT I don't think Kobe is THAT MUCH better. Lebron obviously has his flaws: not a game changer when it matters the most, not great defensively, and maybe a bit immature and inconsistent yet. BUT as an all around player he has to be in the discussion with the best in the NBA cause all of the players have flaws.
For as young Lebron is and playing at the level he does I think he will be great that is for sure!
Ok BUT the reason Lebron averages so many assists is because he is a bad shooter!! You pass when you cant score!! SO Kobe is a better Offensive and defensive player according to you!! So WHY DO YOU WANT LEBRON???
I think you want him to be great!!! KOBE IS GREAT!!
yeah that we can definitely agree on.
That doesn't make any sense if you consider the number Pelle. I understand most of your arguments but this one is the worst. Lebron has a HIGHER shooting percentage than Kobe.
I could care less about these guys. I watched half a quarter of the game the other afternoon and that is the first NBA action I have watched all season. But basketball is not all about scoring and defense when you are comparing player vs player. Just like you can't compare a running back like Marshall Faulk to Emmitt Smith because they both did different things great.
I want Lebron because he is a better teammate and a better player in more. Sure he isn't the best shooter and he isn't the best defender but the difference is across the board his weaknesses aren't as weak as Kobe's. For instance lets say Kobe is the best scoring option in the NBA night in night out, well Lebron is probably in the top 5 (he does have the highest points per game average in the league so I think that is fair). Now lets look at rebounds: Lebron is much higher than Kobe. Assists: Lebron is much higher than Kobe. Defense: Kobe is higher but really defense doesn't matter that much in the NBA. If defense was that important Kobe would have been more successful without a big man.
I didn't think I would win this argument and honestly shouldn't have because I just don't follow the NBA. But you can't paint everything in black and white like that. Sure Kobe is better at SHOOTING and defense but Lebron is a better team player and can surely hang with the best in everything else.
So the reason I take Lebron is because he is a better ALL AROUND player than Kobe. Not at shooting or defense but if you measure everything he is higher on more things than Kobe.
Oh and I agree that Kobe is great. I never said otherwise. But I think the reason you are so adamant about this is cause YOU WANT Lebron to suck because you are tired of hearing about him.
Ok! I agree to disagree on this! BUT I don't root for anybody to do bad! For the record I am a Celtics fan I can't stand Kobe!
I like Lebron but I am from the OLD SCHOOL!! YOU NEED TO DO IT BEFORE WE CROWN YOU KING??????
Amen!...Good debate guys!
I agree Mike. Good job Pelle.
good job guys? huh? you clowns done washing each others balls?
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